romney gives you both of those. he's a guy that gets along with republicans. he could make a deal on entitlements, tax reform. and he gets you a lot of business experience. i first said it as a joke, then i thought it makes sense. a lot of people agreed with that. >> certainly the president wants to reach across the aisle, you know, once in a while and have republicans do that. usually a businessman goes to commerce secretary. >> often, but it's a back water agency. if you have someone with a really powerful role -- and in this next term, it's going to be the big entitlement reform deal and tax reform deal. he's going to need a dialogue where people have somebody, a trusted partner they can deal with. mitt romney gives you a lot of that. he has great experience in private equity doing deals. he needs to do a big deal here. >> let's assume it's not going to be mitt romney. let's decide who it's going to be. you first. >> for a while, ihoug it was going to be larry fink. my sources it will tell me it w him. my sources say it's probably going to be jack liu. what